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Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:39 pm
Grumpy Old Man wrote:
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Are the new aerial appliances being introduced so unreliable that they need have the fleet as reserves? or are they there for the next change of policy just in case?
Would you rather not have reserves then?
No thats not the case at all. I understand why there are reserves and fully agree that there should be reserves. It's about the quantity of them asa percentage. If you look at other companies/organisations with specialist equipment they would not/could not accept the percentage of units in reserve/training. Take some of these examples
1. Bus companies in London working to TFL contracts and achieving 98% reliability of service have a reserve/training fleet/allowance of between 8 and 12%
2. A specialist film unit/location company in west London expect and achive 90% fleet availability from their 7 Volvos aerial platforms. platforms. Each truck covers an average of 20000 miles a year and the platforms operate for an average on site of 23 hours a week. If there is a vehicle/platofrm failure they have a contract in place that stipulates an engineer on site within 3 hours and a first time fix rate of 75% and for all failures to be fixed within 48 hours.
Now with the above in mind either asset co or LFB fleet managers are poor at fleet management/contract specification/procurment or the product is not fit for purpose.
Most companies now want to "sweat their assets" not have half the fleet laid up at anyone time either spare or out of service.
It's only my opinion, you tell me you guys operate the kit I am more than happy to accept your expert views as first hand users.
Fair enough GOM, but I'm willing to bet that the Bus company and a film boys dont put their equipment through the wringer as much as LFB do, or for one reason or another are allowed to carry out simple maintainence on their vehicles to allow a bit of leeway and thusly not need a huge reseve fleet..just more common sense..
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:28 pm
Tyke wrote:
Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Tyke wrote:
Grumpy Old Man wrote:
Are the new aerial appliances being introduced so unreliable that they need have the fleet as reserves? or are they there for the next change of policy just in case?
Would you rather not have reserves then?
No thats not the case at all. I understand why there are reserves and fully agree that there should be reserves. It's about the quantity of them asa percentage. If you look at other companies/organisations with specialist equipment they would not/could not accept the percentage of units in reserve/training. Take some of these examples
1. Bus companies in London working to TFL contracts and achieving 98% reliability of service have a reserve/training fleet/allowance of between 8 and 12%
2. A specialist film unit/location company in west London expect and achive 90% fleet availability from their 7 Volvos aerial platforms. platforms. Each truck covers an average of 20000 miles a year and the platforms operate for an average on site of 23 hours a week. If there is a vehicle/platofrm failure they have a contract in place that stipulates an engineer on site within 3 hours and a first time fix rate of 75% and for all failures to be fixed within 48 hours.
Now with the above in mind either asset co or LFB fleet managers are poor at fleet management/contract specification/procurment or the product is not fit for purpose.
Most companies now want to "sweat their assets" not have half the fleet laid up at anyone time either spare or out of service.
It's only my opinion, you tell me you guys operate the kit I am more than happy to accept your expert views as first hand users.
Fair enough GOM, but I'm willing to bet that the Bus company and a film boys dont put their equipment through the wringer as much as LFB do, or for one reason or another are allowed to carry out simple maintainence on their vehicles to allow a bit of leeway and thusly not need a huge reseve fleet..just more common sense..
Exactly one of my points, why take vehicles off the run when it could be simply fixed. As for machines being put throguh the wringer in theory they get more hammered than fire appliances because a station would normally get an appliance and keep it and so have few users and it's in theory "associated" with that stantion these busee are allocated to a garage where there might be 200-300 drives would dont give a 4X about the bus. My point is and you got it is poor management, they should buy better and let the stations take more responsability of the appliances for simple days to day issues.
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Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:59 am
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Now with the above in mind either asset co or LFB fleet managers are poor at fleet management/contract specification/procurment or the product is not fit for purpose.
There is your answer! you just did not realize you wrote it yourself.
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:46 pm
Our ALP has been in workshops over a year now and still no sign of it returning !!
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Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:41 pm
I believe the three older ALP320s have gone (or are due to) go back to Magirus in Germany for heavy modifications. Do you know if you are due to get it back or are you getting one of the newer ALPs? Although I appreciate that often the saddo anoracks like me often find out things like that before the crews are told these days...
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Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:31 pm
For what its worth we were told that they would become the spare fleet and we would get a new one, however a year later we are now being told that we will get our old one back some time in the future, while we have a 26 year old HP on the run
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Tue May 12, 2009 2:54 pm
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I believe the three older ALP320s have gone (or are due to) go back to Magirus in Germany for heavy modifications. Do you know if you are due to get it back or are you getting one of the newer ALPs? Although I appreciate that often the saddo anoracks like me often find out things like that before the crews are told these days...
Ours has returned back to wimbledon without any modification, and guess what? yep thats right off the run with a hydraulic leak back to workshops, still its only been there for 15 months! and thats after the MRV fixed the comms problem by nicking some old speakers from the car in the yard we had used for RTA drills.
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Tue May 12, 2009 3:28 pm
It seems Assist Co. don't really give to s**ts any more can't see us keeping them much longer. They'll go the same way as Lion Apparel
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