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Would just like to say to the managers that you tell us to be reasonable and understand this and that.You tell us to be professional and have pride in the job, which ordinarily we all on the stations do, so it comes as no surprise that the new appliances come with no badges and not even the name of the Brigade, thanks, something to be really proud in

This was moved by the Admin, just in the wrong place. A guest posted this NOT admin.
Blaze Bear

I'm not sure but it maybe something to do with AssetCo owning the vehicles and not the LFB.
smudger22

Appliances and equipment

It makes the Appliance easier to sell apparently, less work involved in selling to a third world country (did I really say that?).
As for the actual Brigade, did you know that the civvies (oops sorry, non-operational personnel) actually call us firefighters service delivery now, and NOT firefighters?
I have a friend who works for the brigade in their ***** department and so they are all on the same wave length they call firefighters service delivery and fire stations service depots.
And you think not having the name of you're own brigade on the side of trucks demeans your job title.
Not that i'm bitter and twisted, I love the job, always have, the Brigade has tried to chip away at my enthusiasm for years, but they won't beat me!
Ha !!!
LFBsite

The newest appliances are being delivered without logos as the LFB were designing a new corporate "livery" for them. They will soon be getting the new [L][F][B] box logo, as well as the new simplified crest and the website address, as applied to the new OSUs and FIUs.
BlazingPalace

Re: Appliances and equipment

smudger22 wrote:
It makes the Appliance easier to sell apparently, less work involved in selling to a third world country (did I really say that?).
As for the actual Brigade, did you know that the civvies (oops sorry, non-operational personnel) actually call us firefighters service delivery now, and NOT firefighters?
I have a friend who works for the brigade in their ***** department and so they are all on the same wave length they call firefighters service delivery and fire stations service depots.
And you think not having the name of you're own brigade on the side of trucks demeans your job title.
Not that i'm bitter and twisted, I love the job, always have, the Brigade has tried to chip away at my enthusiasm for years, but they won't beat me!
Ha !!!


We are service delivery, working from service delivery depots whilst they work for London’s Fire and Rescue Service makes them feel big and important.

An example would be to look at the awards given to personnel after the July Bombings; the number of awards given to non operational personnel how does that work? Of course there is the case from up north of the brigade accountant been awarded the Queens Fire Service Medal for producing a balanced budget for a number of years.

I am sure there are a lot of jealous people working in non operational post, can you imagine them having a conversation going along these sort of line. “I work for the London Fire Brigade”, the other person going “wow I bet that’s exciting going out on a fire engine and putting fires out”, they reply with “well actually I work in the offices I don’t work at a fire station”, the other person going “oh! Just a normal office job then”. That must really make them dislike uniformed staff
Strings

Firstly, hi all! :D

They way the Brigade is going now is just stupid, in my opinion. All these civvies deciding our future, they haven't got a clue! making Station Officers and Leading hands "Managers" and getting rid of Sub.O's all together! what's all that about! And as it's been said, how are we supposed to be proud of the job we do if they aren't even putting out cap badge on the side of the machines. :x

Sorry for the unhappy first post but I've been gagging to say all this for ages! haha!
Blaze Bear

Hi mate,

First let me welcome you to our fledgling site, we are growing slowly but pass it round to your guys and maybe we'll get more on here.

I think we have to stand up for ourselves and our brigade and say 'this is my job and I'm proud to be LFB'. everyone that knows me knows who I work for and apart from the politics which can be a nightmare (I work at STC) I love my job.

It is a shame that we are run by, what you call 'civies' and they don't recognize the time, effort and sacrifice we put into our jobs. This is made even worse by the tragedy that has befallen our comrades in Warwickshire, the pen pushers will no doubt be asking themselves 'how much is this gonna cost us!!'

Our PR people need to be getting off their asse's and having all the good stuff we do in the papers and on the news.

Anyway once again welcome

Rob
BlazingPalace

Firstly Welcome!
There are many friends here who feel the same.

This is our job; no one other than us knows what its like at a station. The tragic events of the other week show that this job can be dangerous and even when faced with what may seem monumental odds stacked against us we will at all costs do our job to the best of our ability.

It is up to us to take charge, show that we are proud of this job its traditions and its rich history.

It’s all too easy to sit there and just take even more c”*p from non uniformed section. Now I am not blaming everything that is currently wrong with this job at them, we need to be held responsible for some of this. The question is how do we get back some of that pride and esteem back into our job that we love and I for one am proud of.

This web site allows us to blow a bit of steam off, chat with other people in a similar position to us, so we have a core of people that can start to make a difference.

We need as a work force to start to stand up state that we are proud and gently resist things that are not in the best interest for us.

At my station (Wimbledon) we had some T shirts made up from a company specializing in T shirts for Fire personnel.

http://www.firedesignsuk.com/

They had a complete section just for London, the authority got in touch with the company and threatened them with legal action over copyright, that’s right the authority thinks it has copyright over the words “ London “ “ Fire “ and the name of your station. Now the company has stopped producing T shirts for London although it continues to do so for most other brigades in the UK.

Well I am looking to find another company locally that will produce T Shirts for us, be proud of your job and where you work, they hate this sort of web sites, as they have no control, and yes it is like a dictatorship when you are not allowed to speak your mind without fear of reprisal.

Oh my god I am starting to rant now sorry to one and all. But I feel proud to be a firefighter and I am not prepared to let this job collapse around my because I could not be bothered to stand up and say “I love this job”

Sorry for the rant.

Ian Mills
Strings

Well I think something needs to be done, because I feel there are some things that are going to happen in the future that will change this job into a civvie run organisation. We need the militeristic style back. The marching at training school, wearing your cap when you go on st-by, all the little traditions that have fallen by the wayeside. And the T-shirts you were talking about, I had a load made up for the watch by the same company, and the other watches were asking for some, and I now know why I couldn't get any!

I thought the Union were able to help us in these sort of situations?!
(Not the T-Shirts though! :wink: )
Frances Firefly

Hi Ian,

I have spoken to someone about this and as far as I know (please don't sue me) the LFEPA has the copyright to only two things. One is the white LFB 'making london safer' sign and the cap badge (up above). everything thing else including London Fire Brigade IS NOT copyrighted at all.

No theres a conversation for the lawyers :shock:
BlazingPalace

Anyone got an idea when the water carriers might come on the run?
Straight8

Re: New Appliances

admin wrote:
so it comes as no surprise that the new appliances come with no badges and not even the name of the Brigade


Have you seen Paddingtons new Merc ladder with the 'corporate' LFB logo and web addy?

Oh dear.   :shock:

Perhap's nameless was the better option?
Blaze Bear

I think taking off the badges is one in a long line of stoopid ideas from the civy side of the brigade. They seem to want to weed out all the pride and passion we feel for our brigade. We don't do this for the money, we like the Armed forces, ambulance and police do this job because that is the sort of people we are.

We aren't a profit making organization and the sooner they work this out the better it'll be for everyone. Probably a rant for another post   :shock:
BlazingPalace

Re: New Appliances

[quote="GBC"]
admin wrote:
so it comes as no surprise that the new appliances come with no badges and not even the name of the Brigade


Have you seen Paddingtons new Merc ladder with the 'corporate' LFB logo and web addy?

Oh dear.   :shock:

Perhap's nameless was the better option?[/quote


LFB = Load of F"*king B***ocks !!
BlazingPalace

I just want to know why we can not have our creast and the words London Fire brigade. I am proud and so are the vast majority of serving firefighters.

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Picture I took last year in Chicago if you look you can see the truck is flying the stars and stripes the rear offised locker has a message about 9-11
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BlazingPalace

Can not get the picture what have I done wrong help me !!
Straight8

BlazingPalace wrote:

Picture I took last year in Chicago if you look you can see the truck is flying the stars and stripes the rear offised locker has a message about 9-11


Because we are governed by politicaly correct cowards. We now live in a society where the minority dictate what the majority have to abide to.

Look at what happened over at Shadwell when they flew the British flag during the last gulf wall, they were orderd to remove it and then we bent over backwards to appease the local migrant population. Jesus.  :roll:

I've got 11 years until I can move abroad (Stockholm) god only knows what other sheeite we'll have to swallow before then.
Edward M. Koehler Jr.

Unlettered and Unmarked Apparatus on the Run

Just like to add a small comment from New York City relative to unlettered and/or unmarked apparatus.  For many years the FDNY minimized company markings on the rigs and the crews did not give them a lot of attention.  When the larger numbers were applied to the cab doors, a little bit of pride came onto the job, best seen when a unit got a spare apparatus is was immediately given a number made from duct tape!  As you might expect the duct tape lettering left the rig looking pretty bad so eventually magnetic company numbers were supplied to each unit to use when operating with a spare.  Starting with the late 1988 Seagrave deliveries, it became policy for each company to have either the company nickname (i.e. 'Midtown's Most Wanted') or the station nickname (i.e. 'Harlem Hilton') on the cab roof above the windshield; and provisions for markings at certain other defined locations on the rigs.

This simple expedient gave the company members 'ownership' in their rig and upkeep/appearance has never been better; all for the rather low cost of a few decals!

A permanently assigned unlettered rig tells the crew that no one cares in my opinion so you know what can happen then.
smudger22

Hi Edward,
Nice to see a new face around here, I think we all agree with you about the pride and ownership we take in our fire engines (couldn't bring myself to call it a rig) (  :D  ). We always try to look after our 'own', even to the point of making minor fixes to appliance to keep them on the run. The Brigade used to let us change light bulbs but now due to health and safety and the blame culture we're not even allowed to change a bulb now (just in case we do it wrong I think).
I think we also have a slightly different problem with London as they don't even like to show that we're British let alone add an Identity to the appliance. There's been many a national occasion  (world cup, St Georges day etc etc) where we're not even allowed to put a Union Flag on the appliance in case it offends some minority somewhere. We are rapidly loosing our National identity to the Polititcally Corrrect brigade.
That's one thing I've always liked about the USA is there national pride. Being able to put a flag outside your own house, are we Brits really in a free and democratic society?
Tyke

Could the reason that there is no LFB signeage on the new vehicls simply be that.....

LFB dont actually own the vehicles?

Just a thought like... :wink:
BlazingPalace

Tyke wrote:
Could the reason that there is no LFB signeage on the new vehicls simply be that.....

LFB dont actually own the vehicles?

Just a thought like... :wink:


and the reason we can not fly a union flag is because??  we are ruled by narrow minded PC correct have no life jumped up twats!!
smudger22

Sir,
I don't believe you said that, Oh, I remember, Yes I do!
:D
BlazingPalace

Yes I did and I am proud of the Union Flag as we should all be proud of it.
BlazingPalace

BlazingPalace wrote:
Tyke wrote:
Could the reason that there is no LFB signeage on the new vehicls simply be that.....

LFB dont actually own the vehicles?

Just a thought like... :wink:


and the reason we can not fly a union flag is because??  we are ruled by narrow minded PC correct have no life jumped up twats!!


Forgot Limp Wristed!!
Blaze Bear

Now, now ladies, you'll only give yourself a hernia. I do think however we should fly the country's flag, how the hell can that offend anyone?  :shock:

We should also take back the St George cross back from the racists and football hooligans and fly it proud (I'm white, English and proud!! it doesn't make me racist) :evil: and it make me mad to have people accuse me off it cos I fly MY flag.

There you go, off the soap box.

rob
Straight8

Re: New Appliances

admin wrote:
Would just like to say to the managers that you tell us to be reasonable and understand this and that.You tell us to be professional and have pride in the job, which ordinarily we all on the stations do, so it comes as no surprise that the new appliances come with no badges and not even the name of the Brigade, thanks, something to be really proud in



The new 'LFB' branding and badge is now being applied to the fleet as and when they go in for servicing.
BlazingPalace

and it looks shite!
Strings

I'm sorry but I have to disagree there, I think it looks better than when they were plain and boring. BUT it's not a mark on the traditional London Fire Brigade crest and the original lettering.
csBlaZe

Wow... I read this whole thing.... thats INSANELY depressing, stupid, and ridiculous.

I could plainly see these issues you guys are discussing (minorities taking control) from my various visits.... but not being able to fly a FLAG?! What the heck? And no badges? And apparently the logos you get on your engines are pathetic?

Like a few of you said... thats the one thing the US has got... pride...

Im going to get you guys some photos of some of the INSANE appliances at my local fire brigade... big numbers... logos... Call 911... U.S. flags...

Its called GIVING CREDIT, WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. AND YOU GUYS DESERVE THAT CREDIT!!!

Thats for being an inspiration with regards to NOT BACKING DOWN!

BlazingPalace

The badge looks like its off a toy fire engine, and we now have our web address splashed over the appliance along with a free phone number. It looks pants and a joke! but thats my view.  
csBlaZe

Ok... so this is a terrible photo.... but it was with my iphone... you can get an idea.... ill get some better photos next time.... use a better camera...

[img=http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6615/laddertruck.th.jpg]
BlazingPalace

That looks like a fire truck unlike ours ! :-(

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