| Blaze Bear |
national ClothingJust heard on the grape vine that the national clothing team have made a decision on the next uniformWonder now how long it'll take to actually get the stuff |
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| Blaze Bear |
Anyone heard another rumor about Ron pulling out of the national clothing project, by all accounts he's had enough waiting for it to ever happen.
Wonder how that will work |
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| BlazingPalace |
Uniform project has been going on for so long now have lost interest in the whole thing.
I thought our old uniform was ok really a shirt to wear when doing visits, a t shirt for working around the station and under your tunic simply and straight forward. |
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| Blaze Bear |
I think its a bit more than that, we need better PPE for the none fire jobs we are seeing more and more.
The general day to day uniform does the job unless like me you have to wear white all the time. :( |
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| BlazingPalace |
Like you I have to wear white all day but I have another 17 people to do the work for me!!
The problem with a different uniform or PPE for non fire situations is a very complex one. Firstly to what level do we provide protection to and for what? The example would be say a shut in lift; depending on the particular building it would be ok to wear your normal work wear with perhaps just gloves. However I have been on some of the inner London estates and would rather wear my full PPE for my own protection. As soon as you give the workforce the choice of what to wear, then we are going to see firefighters wearing inappropriate levels of PPE at incidents. There would be too many health and safety implications for the brigade. Currently the incident commander can and should take into account the working conditions and alter the PPE worn by crews when dealing with an incident. I am sure that even with the new national uniform we will still have one level of PPE for all situations. |
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| Had enough |
New gearIt all depends I think what clothing they can buy the cheapest, that addresses the British Standards, just like the DM shoes thtat are now solvaire and the first thick blue t/shirts that now are thin and turn grey, but apply to the B.S .I bet the Commisioner would`nt wear one ,when meeting the public.A good idea might have been to ask other Brigades, what gear came out best in their trials and to see if the uniform that has been on the run for years and looks smart and proffesional matches our requirements , but that might have meant a Temp/ Promotion chain finishing to quick!. |
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| Fireeast |
Hi all,
We had a lecture from Group Operations the other day, about new kit, equipment,, vechiles etc, and pro's/cons of the MERC II ! he said were getting new kit in 2009, a golden colour fire kit, with grey shirts, and a athletic type t shirt, that lets out the sweat, and heat ( like the athletes and football players wear now ) He said the dept is coming around all watches, and the new helmets sounds ok, with a built in / or attached on the side lamp, which he said is one of the best lamps for vision/sight, he has ever seen. Anyway roll on 2009, which probably mean 2012 ! Fire East |
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| BlazingPalace |
Sounds interesting but I think we have heard it all before, lets just wait and see and dont hold your breath !! All the best | ||
| Blaze Bear |
Thats great :( it still doesn't address the lack of specialist kit needed for the no firefighting jobs.
We don't have proper gloves or helmets for RTA's, our fire gear is useless for anything but structural fire firefighting. Our radios still don't work and we have no comms to use underground 20 years after kings cross. But its alright cos we can put up smoke alarms after resting on our chairs for four hours night. We as a brigade really need to take a long look at ourselves, we are a joke compared to other brigades. :oops: |
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| MancDan |
What kind of Gold kit will it be?
I been wearing Gold for the past 2 years and its very good. Cant compare it to the burgandy as not worn it for any considerbale time. New helmets would be good. We had Gallets and they seemed much better than the LFB ones. Lighter, more movement allowed etc |
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| Blaze Bear |
The only problem Kent had with the helmets was as the torch as mounted lower right of helmet it sometimes set the ADSU off. | ||
| MancDan |
Whats wrong with keeping torchs on the tunic? | ||
| BlazingPalace |
I understand what you are saying however just look around, FIT turn up in different gear, so does the CBRN team, FRU / USART boys and girls seem to be wearing all sorts of stuff, think its already starting to differentiate, just not perhaps as much as you would like. |
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| Blaze Bear |
I understand what you are saying however just look around, FIT turn up in different gear, so does the CBRN team, FRU / USART boys and girls seem to be wearing all sorts of stuff, think its already starting to differentiate, just not perhaps as much as you would like.[/quote]
Sorry mate but FRU have NO different kit to the pump ladder crews. Its the USAR guys that all the cool stuff. |
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| Strings |
I think maybe for RTA's and such like, we should have gloves that are robust enough but that also give us the dexterity to actually use our hands, like say mechanics gloves. I've got a pair of SPARCO mechanics glove and they protect but also allow me to do what I need to do without fumbling everything. Maybe we should just have longsleeved T-shirts for RTA's and when it's cold put your tunic on or wear a jumper?! Personally though I think the helmets are too bad, they're not exactly heavy and they're not uncomfortable are they?
But hey that's just my 2p's worth. :wink: |
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| BlazingPalace |
so you dont see the FRU crews walking around in their black fleece tops ?
its not a dig or anything, its just that I stand their and watch these different crews turn up all wearing different levels of PPE and workwear and think to myself what the f"*k |
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| BlazingPalace |
What gloves would you want for an RTA incident? Are our current gloves not sufficient for the job? Radios have always been a problem although the one we have seem to be better than previous ones. As for comms underground, it’s sort of been addressed. Most of our calls to underground incidents are LUL stations which have fixed equipment, internal communications or indeed the radios the staff use. Often it’s us the crews that can not be bothered to use it because it’s only a smell of smoke blah blah and we have already been here today. Smoke alarm fitting and chairs well that’s a different issue and all those Station Managers with 5 minutes in the job telling us we have to meet our “Targets” for smoke alarm fitting, and will be happy to come around during the night to make sure that we are not sleeping but working instead. But that’s another issue! |
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| Strings |
I'd say something like mechanics gloves, robust and protective. Like these http://www.swws.biz/swws1/mechani...=d47fcd37254cb5e7d658ef265ac30d03 |
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| BlazingPalace |
are not the gloves we use now robust and protective? | ||
| BlazingPalace |
all the mechanics I see wear those latex gloves? | ||
| Strings |
Yes they are but the dexterity of the mechanics gloves are a hell of a lot better so you can handle equipment better. |
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| Blaze Bear |
The gloves are s**t to say the least, they are two big. The ones we want are very simular to the mechanic ones shown earlier, they are designed for RTA's and are blood, oil and liquid proof. They protect you against sharpe objects, glass and have the added advantage of being light enough you can feel and do stuff without having to take them off | ||
| niffa |
[quote="Fireeast"]Hi all,
We had a lecture from Group Operations the other day, about new kit, equipment,, vechiles etc, and pro's/cons of the MERC II ! he said were getting new kit in 2009, a golden colour fire kit, with grey shirts, and a athletic type t shirt, that lets out the sweat, and heat ( like the athletes and football players wear now ) ^^^Just London Fire Brigade? |
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| Blaze Bear |
thats great for fire fighting duties what about the other 100's of non fire duties we do.
For the people in charge ' we need NON FIRE kick NOW' is that straight enough and to the point |
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| MancDan |
If it the same Gold kit thats currently out then its the one I wore for 2 years. Admitedly I not worn the current kit for as long to make a an informed judgement but the gold is good.
As for the shirts then Im surprised there grey but at least we getting shirt. Prefered wearing a shirt over my t-shirt and take it off before putting kit on then i do just having a t shirt. Looks smarter |
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| gilbert |
Uniforms & P.P.EWith the promise of new P.P.E coming in for 2009, we really shouldn't hold our breath on this. This is the largest brigade in the country, the third largest brigade in the world. The logistics for this operation are huge, and will take time to impliment.But the big thing will be the cost of it all.Now if i know London as i think i do,we will follow our usual path when buying new equipment. If it's twice as expensive and half as good, we will have it.!!!!!! |
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| Smoke Dodger |
Re: Uniforms & P.P.E
£27 million for the new fire kit. which apparently works out at £5000 per firefighter. don't know if its half as good. we will have to wait and see. |
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