Redbusrider
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CPD & CPD formLondon Station personnel are having to now complete either the London management short version with reduction to 8 days sick or the national CPD form. Its all a farce but who's fault was it in the first place? Union or Management
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john smith
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CPD
In 2007, the FBU agreed locally the concept of a CPD interim process. Where
they had accrued fewer than nine days’ non-due-to-service sickness in the
previous year, London members were able to access payment via the streamlined
local interim process, rather than be required to enter the more complex national
process. Now, though, and completely unnecessarily, senior managers have
demanded a reduction in the number of sick days to eight, arguing that the
welcomed reduction in sickness levels throughout the brigade provides scope for
this. The FBU argued that members were therefore effectively being punished for
improving sickness levels generally. Perversely, the brigade responded by offering
a ‘compromise’ which would alter the number of days from eight in a year to 21
days in three years, which any keen observer would quickly discover is, pro-rata,
an even more inferior proposal. It would also fall foul of the national CPD
agreement, which provides for annual, and not triennial, assessments.
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Redbusrider
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John don't get me wrong, we all know what the management are up to .
CPD was to replace long service increments as this was deemed to be "unfair" as you had to have over 5 years in the job, yet you are not eligible for CPD unless you have completed 8 years service???.
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Wurkit
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CPD was to replace long service increments as this was deemed to be "unfair" as you had to have over 5 years in the job, yet you are not eligible for CPD unless you have completed 8 years service???.[/quote]
......the LSI was to be left in it's present form and was considered as safe as it was not being sought after by management but was 'offered' by the union as part of the modernisation package in a cunning and masterful piece of negotiation; management must have sat there speachless when they came to the table with that one!!!
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BlazingPalace
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I await the bullets, but did we not agree to this as part of the deal to end our pay dispute ??
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BlazingPalace
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| Wurkit wrote: | | CPD was to replace long service increments as this was deemed to be "unfair" as you had to have over 5 years in the job, yet you are not eligible for CPD unless you have completed 8 years service???. |
CPD replaced long service pay which was awarded after 15 years service not 5, thats LSL
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Wurkit
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| BlazingPalace wrote: | | I await the bullets, but did we not agree to this as part of the deal to end our pay dispute ?? |
Yep... and the Union sold it to us as "the best deal we were gonna get"!!!!
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Wurkit
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| BlazingPalace wrote: | | Wurkit wrote: | | CPD was to replace long service increments as this was deemed to be "unfair" as you had to have over 5 years in the job, yet you are not eligible for CPD unless you have completed 8 years service???. |
CPD replaced long service pay which was awarded after 15 years service not 5, thats LSL |
I took the quote from redbusrider and assumed that he meant 15yrs.
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Redbusrider
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Ooops thanks for the correction Blaze. missed of the 1 
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Straight8
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'The Union' ?
We are all 'The Union'.
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Wurkit
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| Straight8 wrote: | 'The Union' ?
We are all 'The Union'. |
Yeah right,
I don't remember saying, "Give up the CPD because it's unfair and discriminates against those with under 15 years service", that was done without the consultation of the members as were many others to settle the dispute.
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Straight8
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Perhaps you should stand for election as a Union official since (once again) you seem to know best.
But I'll bet you won't.
Try the FOA, they may be able to satisfy you?
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Wurkit
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| Straight8 wrote: | Perhaps you should stand for election as a Union official since (once again) you seem to know best.
But I'll bet you won't.
Try the FOA, they may be able to satisfy you? |
1) Why should I need to, "We are all the union" and is my statement inaccurate then?
2) You're right, I won't.
3) I doubt it.
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BlazingPalace
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| Straight8 wrote: | 'The Union' ?
We are all 'The Union'. |
We are the union, however it would seem that during the dispute of 2002 the union leadership was out of step with its members, as can be seen by the number of officials who left soon after the dispute ended.
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BlazingPalace
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Although this thread has gone slightly off track from CPD to the union, I just wanted to bring it back on track a little. What I notice about the whole CPD process is that there comes a point when you simply can not fulfil the criteria.
Take a firefighter, they are a motor driver, have a specialist qualification to operate specials at the station, have a B.A. refresher and First Aid when it comes up, and then what? There are only so many courses you can do, the scheme seems designed that after a period of time a long serving firefighter is penalised for remaining so, rather than rewarding then.
Just my observation.
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